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Su Dai苏代
Younger brother of Su Qin.
- DIRECT FIGURES
- 21
- RELATION RECORDS
- 28
- SOURCE WORKS
- 3
RELATIONSHIP COMPASS
Su Dai, and the people around them.
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01KINSHIPKinship
Blood, marriage and sworn bonds
2 figures · 3 records+
Kinship
Blood, marriage and sworn bonds
Su Qin—Su Daibrothers
Su Dai—Zi Zhisworn brotherhood
02ALLEGIANCEAllegiance
Rulers, appointments and allegiance
10 figures · 10 records+
Allegiance
Rulers, appointments and allegiance
Su Dai→King Weipersuade
Su Dai→King of Qiremonstrate
Su Dai→King of Qinlobby
Su Dai→King Zhao of Yanwrite
03CONFLICTConflict
Battles, captures and defeat
6 figures · 6 records+
Conflict
Battles, captures and defeat
Su Dai→King Zhaoxiang of Qinlobby
Su Dai→King of Qinlobby
Lord Mengchang→Su Daiobey
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谓孟尝君曰:“今代从外来,见土偶人与木偶人相与语,木偶人谓土偶人曰:‘天方雨,子必败矣!奈何!’土偶人笑曰:‘我生于土,败则仍还于土耳。子遭雨漂流,吾不知其所底也!’秦,虎狼之国,楚怀王犹不返,况君乎?若留君不遣,臣不知君之所终矣。”孟尝君乃辞秦不欲行
04THE UNSEENMythic acts
Transformation, aid and divine punishment
8 figures · 9 records+
Mythic acts
Transformation, aid and divine punishment
Su Dai→Gan Maohelp
Su Dai→King of Chulobby
Su Dai→Gongzhonglobby
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In history · Records of the Grand Historian
He lobbied for Zhou to the King of Chu and the Prime Minister of Han. As a strategist, he advised the King of Qi to renounce the title of emperor. Younger brother of Su Qin.
In fiction · Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms · Strategies of the Warring States
Younger brother of Su Qin. Younger brother of Su Qin, who envied his brother's wealth and prominence, and studied persuasion. Younger brother of Su Qin, who befriended Zi Zhi and later served Yan.
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- Literature / legend8 profile notes
Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms
7 relations8 verified quotations- Su Qin→ brothers →Su Dai
- Su Dai→ lobby →King Zhaoxiang of Qin
- Lord Mengchang→ obey →Su Dai
- Su Dai→ offer strategy →King Min of Qi
Verified original text · 8
秦弟代厉羡其兄之贵盛
brothers · Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms, ch. 90
乃西见秦王曰
lobby · Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms, ch. 94
6 more verified quotations in the relationship records below.
- Official history11 profile notes
Records of the Grand Historian
13 relations12 verified quotations- Su Dai→ lobby →King of Qin
- Su Dai→ persuade →King Wei
- Su Qin→ brothers →Su Dai
- Su Dai→ lobby →King Zhaoxiang of Qin
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因说秦王曰
lobby · Records of the Grand Historian, 樗里子甘茂列传
苏代谓魏王
persuade · Records of the Grand Historian, 魏世家
10 more verified quotations in the relationship records below.
- Official history12 profile notes
Strategies of the Warring States
14 relations14 verified quotations- Su Dai→ lobby →King of Qin
- Su Dai→ lobby →King of Chu
- Su Dai→ persuade →King Wei
- Su Dai→ brothers →Su Qin
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乃西说秦王曰
lobby · Strategies of the Warring States, 秦/二
不若听而备于其反也
lobby · Strategies of the Warring States, 韩/一
12 more verified quotations in the relationship records below.
History vs. fiction
Su Dai's sworn brotherhood to secure Yan
The Records of the Grand Historian, Chapter 4, mainly records his persuasive speech: "Su Dai spoke for Zhou to the King of Chu, saying: 'Why is it that Zhou's alliance with Qin brings disaster?'" However, in Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms, Chapter 91, to highlight the strategists' penetration into the internal politics of the states, it adds the plot of marriage and alliance: "He also had his younger brothers Su Dai and Su Li become sworn brothers with Zi Zhi, intending to strengthen themselves."
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- persuadeSu Dai → King Weihist × litRecords of the Grand Historian, 魏世家Strategies of the Warring States, 魏/二
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苏代谓魏王
苏代为田需说魏王
Original relation: offer advice · Strategies of the Warring States, 魏/二
代曰:“请为君北见梁王,必相之矣。”
Original relation: lobby · Strategies of the Warring States, 魏/二
- brothers← Su Qin → Su Daihist × litChronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms, ch. 90Records of the Grand Historian, 苏秦列传
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- lobbySu Dai → King Zhaoxiang of Qinhist × litChronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms, ch. 94Records of the Grand Historian, 樗里子甘茂列传
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谓孟尝君曰:“今代从外来,见土偶人与木偶人相与语,木偶人谓土偶人曰:‘天方雨,子必败矣!奈何!’土偶人笑曰:‘我生于土,败则仍还于土耳。子遭雨漂流,吾不知其所底也!’秦,虎狼之国,楚怀王犹不返,况君乎?若留君不遣,臣不知君之所终矣。”孟尝君乃辞秦不欲行
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苏代许诺
苏代许诺
Original relation: 承诺 · Records of the Grand Historian, 樗里子甘茂列传
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请教于代
齐湣王用苏代之说
Original relation: serve as subject · Chronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms, ch. 94
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- remonstrateSu Dai → King of Qihist × litRecords of the Grand Historian, 田敬仲完世家Strategies of the Warring States, 赵/四
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願王受之而勿备称也
苏代谓齐王
Original relation: lobby · Strategies of the Warring States, 赵/四
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苏代遂往见韩相国公中
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薛公曰:“善。”因令韩庆入秦
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- writeSu Dai → King Zhao of Yanhist × litRecords of the Grand Historian, 苏秦列传Strategies of the Warring States, 燕/二
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苏代乃遗燕昭王书
苏代为燕说齐
Original relation: serve as subject · Strategies of the Warring States, 燕/二
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使苏代为齐阴遗穰侯书曰………………于是穰侯不行,引兵而归
- sworn brotherhoodSu Dai → Zi Zhihist × litChronicles of the Eastern Zhou Kingdoms, ch. 91Records of the Grand Historian, 苏秦列传
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又使其弟苏代苏厉与子之结为兄弟
燕相子之与苏代婚
Original relation: 婚 · Records of the Grand Historian, 苏秦列传
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曰:“今者臣来,过易水……
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乃谓苏子曰…………燕兵在晋,今寡人发兵应之,愿子为寡人为之将
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足下有意为臣伯乐乎?